Adrar-n-illouz
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Bonjour l ami!
L identification ne decoule pas du saint Coran,mais de l exegese.C est pour cela que si l on veut traduire le Coran a l amazighe il vaudrait meiux s attacher a la LETTRE du Coran au lieu de s attacher a une EXEGESE.C etait l objection que j ai soulevee.Quand il s agit de Jibril il faut le traduire par Jibril,mais quand il s agit de ROUH a mon avis il faut traduire non pas par JIBRIL mais par SOUFFLE DIVIN.
Dans un autre forum j ai(Tariqbenzyad) developpe l idee de l Esprit a partir du Platonisme et je suis desole c est en anglais:
<<<<<Tariqbenzyad Posted: October 17, 2006 01:02 pm
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Bonjour William!
We should keep communicating in english for the benefit of all the particapants>
The Holy Trinity denote the central doctrine of the Christian religion since 325 A.D.(Nicea ' Concile)
God who is one and unique in his infinite substance or nature,is three really distinct personns,the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit.
The one and only God is the Father,The Son,and The Holy Spirit.Yet God the Father is not God the Son,but generates the Son eternally,as the Son is eternally begotten.The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son,but a distinct person having his divine nature from the Father and Son by etrnal procession.The three divine persons are co-equal,co-eternal and consubstantial and deserve co-equal glory and adoration................
The influence of nea-platonism is clear.The " emanation" was changed by "procession".
Avicenna translated"emanation" by" FAYD".
The first model of emanantion was establish by Plato long time ago before even the translation of the Bible( Septuagint).
When Plato elevated his mind to the sublime contemplation of the first self-existent,necessary cause of the universe,the Athenian sage was incapable of conceiving HOW the simple unity of his essence could admit the infinite variety of distinct and successive ideas which compose the model of inbtellectual world .
How a Being purely incorporeal could execute that perfect model ,and molde with plastic hand the rude and independant chaos.
Plato found a solution:he consider that The Divine Nature under THREEFOLD modification:
The first Cause
The reason or Logos
The soul or spirit of the Universe.
The poetical imagination of Plato represented and fixed the THREE ARCHICAL or original principes as a THREE GODS united with each other by a mysterious and ineffable generation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
L identification ne decoule pas du saint Coran,mais de l exegese.C est pour cela que si l on veut traduire le Coran a l amazighe il vaudrait meiux s attacher a la LETTRE du Coran au lieu de s attacher a une EXEGESE.C etait l objection que j ai soulevee.Quand il s agit de Jibril il faut le traduire par Jibril,mais quand il s agit de ROUH a mon avis il faut traduire non pas par JIBRIL mais par SOUFFLE DIVIN.
Dans un autre forum j ai(Tariqbenzyad) developpe l idee de l Esprit a partir du Platonisme et je suis desole c est en anglais:
<<<<<Tariqbenzyad Posted: October 17, 2006 01:02 pm
Member
Bonjour William!
We should keep communicating in english for the benefit of all the particapants>
The Holy Trinity denote the central doctrine of the Christian religion since 325 A.D.(Nicea ' Concile)
God who is one and unique in his infinite substance or nature,is three really distinct personns,the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit.
The one and only God is the Father,The Son,and The Holy Spirit.Yet God the Father is not God the Son,but generates the Son eternally,as the Son is eternally begotten.The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son,but a distinct person having his divine nature from the Father and Son by etrnal procession.The three divine persons are co-equal,co-eternal and consubstantial and deserve co-equal glory and adoration................
The influence of nea-platonism is clear.The " emanation" was changed by "procession".
Avicenna translated"emanation" by" FAYD".
The first model of emanantion was establish by Plato long time ago before even the translation of the Bible( Septuagint).
When Plato elevated his mind to the sublime contemplation of the first self-existent,necessary cause of the universe,the Athenian sage was incapable of conceiving HOW the simple unity of his essence could admit the infinite variety of distinct and successive ideas which compose the model of inbtellectual world .
How a Being purely incorporeal could execute that perfect model ,and molde with plastic hand the rude and independant chaos.
Plato found a solution:he consider that The Divine Nature under THREEFOLD modification:
The first Cause
The reason or Logos
The soul or spirit of the Universe.
The poetical imagination of Plato represented and fixed the THREE ARCHICAL or original principes as a THREE GODS united with each other by a mysterious and ineffable generation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
zdagadag said:merci pour le rappel. il n'y a pas de confusion mais juste pour généraliser que toutes créations de dieu est un soufle émanant de lui.
si quelqu'un est ennemi de jibril donc automatiquement aux méssages dont il est chargé à transmettre aux prophetes et par consquent à Allah qui l'a chargé de cette mission.