Etymologie amazighe

[Amastan13]

Re : Etymologie amazighe

Timnsiwin a gma Amastan13,

It occurs that the letter gh changes in a D'/D/B (or the otherway around)

ad'ad':doigt
Zenaga: ad'aghd'i

awld': signifie "testicule" au Maroc (voir www.tifawin.com corps humaine)
awlgh: Kabyle

Tifawin a gma Yidir,
Mammek tellid ?

That's interesting,

But for the example of :

ad'ad === ad'aghdi (in Zenaga)

I think that it is either a [gh] which comes from an older root, or just an "intrusive" [gh].

In the first case, as you know, there are many Amazigh roots which have lost a consonant. An example is "amadagh" (wood, forest, in Kabyle), which is pronounced "amada" in the area of Ayt Ksila (Beni Ksila, Kabylie).

As for an "intrusive" [gh], although I haven't seen an example of a word in which [gh] is introduced in the middle, I noticed that in some areas of the Chenoua (west of Algiers), people tend to add a [x] (a vowel that resembles to [gh] in the end of words with end with a vowel. Example :

Argaz-ax (this man) instead of "argaz-a"

As for the change of [gh] into [d'], I too would like to give another example :

D'reg (to defecate / déféquer) ---- tagherrak (tigherragin) (manure / fumier in Tuareg)

The original form of the Tuareg word is *tagherragt. It may have derived from a verb, *ghreg which is close to the Kabyle "d'reg".

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[Amastan13]

Re : Etymologie amazighe

Timnsiwin a gma Amastan13,

It occurs that the letter gh changes in a D'/D/B (or the otherway around)

ad'ad':doigt
Zenaga: ad'aghd'i

awld': signifie "testicule" au Maroc (voir www.tifawin.com corps humaine)
awlgh: Kabyle

Azul tikkelt nid'en a gma Yidir,

I would like just to add that I have also noticed this change between [gh] and [d'] in the roots :

LD' and LGh

LD' gives words like :

alud' : mud (boue).

illed' :
1- this is an illness in which the eyelid (paupière) inflates. I don't know how it's called in French or in English.
2- a name give to a big spider (in the area of Boghni, Tizi-Ouzou).


LGh gives words like :

allagh (pl. allaghen) : brain. (Kabyle).

llegh : to lick (Kabyle, Tuareg).

I think that there is a relationship in the meaning of these words and these roots. There is a general meaning of "something soft, limp" (mou).

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[Amastan13]

Re : Etymologie amazighe

Afra n R'ebbi fell-awen,

Dans le Lexique de berbère moderne (Amawal) :

Abbaz' (pl. abbaz'en) signifie "arrestation".

Abez' signifie "arrêter"

Je ne sais pas de quel dialecte ont tirés ces mots, mais je pense qu'on pourrait rapprocher abez' au verbe amez', qui signifie en tachelhit "prendre, saisir, tenir, recevoir" (comme le verbe tt'ef en kabyle). (Nous avons déjà parlé de amez' et son dérivé tummez't [poignée] qui existe toujours en kabyle).

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